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It was just a guilt thing. Once I was a vegetarian, I started to doubt whether I should be consuming any animal products at all, so I did the whole [vegan] thing. Despite all their globetrotting in andSilverchair had stuck with the established music marketplaces of Europe and America, plus two quick shows in Tokyo and Osaka in April The sold-out event was held at the 25, capacity Ferrocarril Oeste.
The band were getting their heads around how strange their lives as reluctant celebrities were becoming. By the time the entourage reached Rio de Janeiro for the 29 November show at the Praca Da Apoteose, word had spread as to where the band was staying. A small but dedicated posse of Silverchair-lovers chased them down: one female fan even had to be shooed off by Watson when she became amorous with Johns by the hotel pool. South America loved Silverchair, especially their blond and blueeyed frontman.
Before they go, he gives away a few strands of his hair, smiling broadly. By this time,Johns and Joannou had long since returned to their hotel rooms. When they played dates there inpushing their fourth album, Diorama, the more hardcore fans would actually book rooms in the same hotel as the band just to be near their idols. She just sat there, about ten metres away, and quietly sobbed until we finished our card game.
She was so sweet. Fuck you! I was just having a good time; nothing more to it. He just loves talking to people and meeting people, [whereas] I just hate meeting people.
I hate it. In fact, maybe it was just the impetus they needed. Humphreys captured the madness of the moment: The crowd goes fucking nuts. Girls in the front row are screaming hysterically as the mosh begins.
Johns charges across the stage, feet shuffling, body shaking like an evangelical preacher possessed by the spirit of Jesus. They sound like Black Sabbath. The gig, as they say, went off. It was obvious: Silverchair were now stars in South America. However, they were still very green. But the tour left its mark — record sales in Brazil, especially, skyrocketed. Frogstomp went on to sell 30, copies, Freak Show 38, and Neon Ballroom a whoppingThe audience is an abstract, picked up and packed into the tractor-trailer trucks along with the lights and amps, and unpacked into the next hall.
The audience exists only as box-office receipts, only as dollars passing through the gates. Such things bugged at least two members of Silverchair, as they have many other young bands in this strange, unfamiliar position. Life went into overdrive after South America. Anyway, he butchered the narrative and made the viewer sick of looking at Daniel.
This is a very common issue with videos where people in my gig mainly want to see the band playing the song and the video director mainly wants to advance his narrative.
The changes made the clip more compelling in the eyes of everyone except, apparently, the director. Soon after the video was shot, the band struck trouble in Malibu, where Johns was arrested for driving a Mitsubishi Montero on Santa Monica beach, the same place where he had been hit by a bottle in late It turned out there was more than a little Newcastle left in the trio.
Bored with doing laps of the beach carpark, Gillies steered the 4WD onto the sand and, once in motion, spotted the Mitsubishi rep running alongside the car: We thought we were in trouble. Instead he reached in and slipped it into four wheel drive. We went up the beach a bit; we were driving through volleyball games, everything.
It was then that they heard the police sirens. As Gillies tells it: This big black cop got out of the car — he was evil! A poster made from a photo of the Malibu incident hangs in the Silverchair office in Sydney. And they had a new album to release, and the HSC to prepare for as well.
Freak Show was finally released in Australia on 3 February and in North America on 4 Februarya lengthy seven months after recording had finished. That was elementary record company marketing. These were fast, loud rock songs to be played at maximum volume and high speed.
Gillies and Joannou, especially, loved playing these songs live. Her sombre yet elegant arrangements recorded in New York, at the Jimi Hendrix-founded Electric Ladyland studios pushes Johns to new vocal heights. And the interplay of his acoustic guitar with her cello and violins makes for the most adventurous music the band had made.
But Watson knew the song belonged on the album, so at the Newcastle University show the show where www. The producer agreed to go along with the ruse. The song is a handy reminder of how much Led Zeppelin the trio absorbed in their youth: Jimmy Page and Robert Plant loved nothing better than to drench their blues-based raunch in exotic Eastern sounds.
Clearly, Silverchair were listening and learning. The truth about that day, however, is somewhat different. None of the band could endure the session, which ran well into overtime. The Indian players worked to markedly different time structures, which slowed the recording down to a crawl. But after a while it was so frustrating that we had to leave. Launay was left alone in the studio as the Indians droned on. Even though he was still having some trouble articulating his feelings, there was enough fear and loathing here to scare off the late Hunter S.
No wonder he was the target of so much abuse in his hometown. In the s, everyone just spat on each other. I guess in the s everyone throws bottles. But Johns had sunk into what turned out to be the first of several depressions that followed the success of Frogstomp.
Runaways would often turn up at their front door, asking for him. Tabloid reporters and photographers frequently cruised past the family home, hoping for a sighting — it became a ritual, of sorts, for snappers from the Newcastle Herald to take up residency outside the Johns home. But because of his more extroverted nature, Gillies seemed to handle the pressure better than Johns. The tabloids started wanting pictures of him, people knew where he lived. Speaking on the Denton show in JuneJohns recalled how the constant presence of the press took away one of the few simple joys he had in his life — hanging out at Merewether Beach.
What made it even more difficult for Johns was that he was seeking refuge with one of the people who were dependent on him for their livelihood.
This juggling act would become even trickier for Watson in the future. That was weird. We needed a while to get used to it. I realise now that that attention goes with being in a band. As he noted: I saw so much out there, so many weird things, that it really affected how I saw the world and myself.
Some [lyrics] were actually changed because they were too personal. The message was clear: they were having trouble adjusting to life in the spotlight. Many rock writers agreed. Up until this time, the bulk of Silverchair songs had emerged out of rehearsal room jams: Johns would lock into a riff, Gillies would work out a rhythm pattern and Joannou would kick it all along with some heavy bottom end.
Then Johns would hide himself away to work on the lyrics. The bulk of the songwriting credits were shared by Johns and Gillies. Maybe on the third album — who knows? Clearly, Johns was moving away from his two band-mates and friends.
They were tight; they were a unit. The critical response to Freak Show took a fairly predictable path. The Australian press praised it, the British panned it, and the American media sat somewhere between the two, confused as to whether the band were innovators or imitators.
Even today, listeners who overlooked the band during its first wave are amazed by the maturity of music on display on their earlier albums.
While Silverchair has talent, it lacks originality. Freak Show owes more than a drink to Nirvana. They seem to think we can either do soap stars and novelty acts or arty stuff like the Triffids and Nick Cave. The fact is that they missed out. Manager John Watson was about to learn a lesson about dealing with the monolith that is the American music business, while the band was about to experience a little more controversy of its own.
As he explained, he likened life in a rock and roll band to: the old freak shows in the s, just travelling around, doing your show and going to the next town and doing it again. We saw there was a similarity and thought it would be a good theme for the album.
Added Gillies: We reckon the music industry is like travelling freak shows. You meet all these freaks along the way. You meet good people, but you do meet a lot of idiots. The band stumbled across them in a magazine and immediately agreed they were perfect for the album. It was felt that a mellower song would sit more comfortably on US radio.
That turned out to be a bad move. But more on that later. What lay ahead for the band was one of the most restless years of their lives, as they tried to balance their Album) year of school with the demands of pushing their second album and keeping their respective heads together.
Not only did they rack up more Frequent Flyer points than Richard Branson, but they started to understand what was required to make Silverchair more than a one-album fling: hard work, and shitloads of it. And INXS did an amazing job of breaking internationally but the price of those efforts was a backlash here at home. Having an Australian career was always important to Silverchair, so it was always important to them to keep the home fires burning — even if that meant doing less well in other countries.
Firstly, the nature of the deal we offered was one Sony would never have offered to an artist. The idea with Murmur was to give less on the front end but to provide more flexibility: shorter-term deals, higher royalties, in some instances give some artists the ability to get releases overseas if Sony passed. Given the generation of bands coming through, it was incredibly important, the issue of creative control and a dedicated team of people who were on your wavelength.
Some artists want to drive the truck and would prefer to have the manager out the front as a bull bar. The more interest they took in things, the more responsibility they took. They always had good instincts for what sucked. Knowing the right thing to do is the next part of the learning. What if we get Van Dyke Parks? And Nick [Launay] took a lot more time to record it. Was the choice of Nick Launay over Kevin Shirley, the producer of Frogstomp, made purely because Shirley went off to work with Journey?
Pretty much, although that sells Nick short. We were planning to use Kev but then he wanted to push Silverchair back because Journey was running over time. That was a concern because we originally wanted to have LP2 out by the end of That ended up becoming impossible when Wallaces time shuffled around. It went well, so the transition seemed natural and unusually painless. Was Shirley keen to do the second record? Nick, meanwhile, was falling over himself to do Freak Show.
Was Steve Albini on the shortlist? Not really. I think Daniel loved the sound of his work and would have loved to make a record with him. But his association with Nirvana would have just invited more of those comparisons which everyone — particularly Daniel — wanted to avoid. When [Brit grunge wannabes] Bush used him, too, that really sealed it. Was anyone else on the Freak Show shortlist? Not that I recall. Andy Wallace was the dream candidate at the time because of his work with Helmet.
Wallace took a three-month break during the mixing of Freak Show. What happened? There was a bunch of stuff, including the Nirvana live CD, although the main thing, weirdly enough, was a band who he actually produced from scratch. They were called Cola and had been signed in a big bidding war, so everyone was touting them as the next big thing. He spent most of the gap recording and mixing their album [Whatnot, which was released in ]. How radically did marketing plans have to be rewritten when that delay happened?
We had all the marketing and promotional tools — new photos, bios, press kits, interview CDs, artwork files, EPKs [electronic press kits], a video, preview samplers, stickers — manufactured and delivered all around the world a full ten weeks before the release.
This means albums are often compromised. This is part of the reason it did so much better than Frogstomp in Europe because we came out of the gate with a bang that made people pay more attention.
Was Nick Launay ever a possibility to mix the whole album? No, although he was there for all of the mixes and added quite a lot. Either of them would not have got the sounds you hear on that record. There were a few name changes on songs from Freak Show, right? In the weeks before recording started, I was nagging them to try and come up with a couple more tunes. Oh boy. If this happened, then the song would not have charted very well on the US airplay charts and they thought the limited exposure would hurt initial album sales.
What was your take? At what stage did all this take place? Well, it was only when the music reached the promo department that the issue raised its head. By then it was quite late in the piece, around November It really threw a spanner in the works. We fought them [Epic] for several weeks and there were many memorable conversations. Eventually it turned into a complete stand-off, with both sides honestly believing they were completely right. We were therefore in a no-win situation. This hardly provided an incentive to get them to get it played on the radio.
So they had a powerful incentive to get that song lots of airplay. How involved were the band in this? I distinctly remember discussing this with the band. We had a conference call — I was overseas — during which the final decision had to be made.
So, what next? In other words, they were right that the song was well suited to what radio was playing at the time.
This meant that the album started to lose heat and each week it slid down the charts, creating momentum — but it was all going backwards. I read a story about the Lobster Boy in a magazine while the band was on tour. It was an amazing tale. He was one of the last superstars of that world, but he became an abusive alcoholic who was implicated in several murders. I showed the story to the band and they thought it was amazing, too.
The thing we liked about it was how things are actually a lot different from how they appear on the surface. That idea was carried into the album art.
The cover image of his boyish face seemed really angelic, then when you opened up the album and took out the disc you discovered his disability. So your outlook twists a few times over the course of looking at one image.
Just one of those metaphors that works at lots of levels. Silverchair manager John Watson, If the band had lived the two previous years in top gear, was twelve months spent in overdrive. Their first date for the year was in Hobart on 10 January, and their final show was on 20 December at the Perth Entertainment Centre.
In between they played a hundred gigs, toured the US and Europe three times, and completed four Australian jaunts, as well as playing shows in Canada and the Philippines. It was a long way from the military precision of Madison Square Garden. The year had some particular thrills. They toured with such multi- platinum peers as Bush, the Offspring and Collective Soul, and had a song featured on the soundtrack of Spawn, the film of the hugely popular Todd McFarlane action-adventure comic book series.
Epic promoted Freak Show in the US with a toll-free number that played grabs from various songs. But there were also endless days of promo for radio, print and TV.
Silverchair had a lot to prove with their new record. Bythe bands that had heralded the arrival of grunge and generation alt-rock — Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, the Smashing Pumpkins — had either split or started exploring new musical sensations. Instead, it was punkish acts such as Californians the Offspring that were shifting serious numbers of units in the album charts, as the boundaries continued to come down between the mainstream and alternative worlds.
But first up, Silverchair had an album to launch. When the pre-show murmur died down, a shirtless MC appeared on stage and introduced the opening act, a fire-eating sword swallower. The band proved to a tough local audience that they had the presence — and the tunes — to be a worthy headliner. Tall poppy syndrome be damned. Typically, teen stars would drop out of the formal education system, preferring to use on-the-road tutors, thereby capitalising on the chance to squeeze every last drop out of what could be a short-lived career.
And whatever happened to Hanson, by the way? While the band did rely on a tutor at times, those close to them knew that attending school as often as possible would keep them sane and grounded. This was standard working-class thinking: always have a back-up in case the bottom drops out of your dream. Watson found himself turning down more requests for interviews and photo shoots than ever before; he figures he rejected up to 90 per cent of requests during the Freak Show phase.
He also made sure that while touring overseas the band never performed more than five shows a week most bands averaged at least sixat one point turning down a six-figure-fee show at Wembley Stadium so the band could swing an extra two days at home. Thanks to the runaway success of Frogstomp, the band were financially comfortable and had more control of their career choices.
Which, in the end, was what they really desired. While the gloss was starting to wear off their very atypical teenage lives, there was the occasional golden moment. Sammy Hagar, occasional Van Halen vocalist, was another Silverchair convert, fronting at a show and asking to have his photo taken with the band.
It went gold soon after. The album had sold gold in the US in late February, after four weeks in the charts.
The band then disappeared for another two months of touring, this time swinging through most larger North American cities, before more European festival dates. A bunch of hopefuls going by the name of Matchbox Twenty opened the show for the Newcastle three.
If Frequent Flyer points were a reliable predictor of record sales, Freak Show was set to outstrip even Frogstomp. Although it debuted on the Billboard album chart at Number Twelve, it slipped away quickly. But these were good — not great — figures, in regions where sales were measured in thousands, not millions. Such new ish Silverchair fan bases as France, Holland, Germany and South America started buying their records in good numbers.
The band were going global. But their excellent rock and roll adventure was starting to become, well, not so excellent. There they sit, three antsy teen rockers in skate-rat duds, trapped in a fate about as fun as spending a Saturday night with the parents.
When promoting Frogstomp, Gillies, Johns and Joannou cheerfully played bullshitters, talking up invented pasts and twisting answers to the same questions into any number of different responses. But now that they believed more strongly in their work, they found little opportunity to speak with even a little intelligence. I mean you guys have definitely. Equally vacuous were the obligatory caller questions.
Sometimes teenage girls, older girls, young guys and older guys and sometimes you have forty- year-olds. Johns also found himself playing down more soundalike accusations when he spoke with the Orange County Register. When Frogstomp went mad, everyone recognised their musical roots, but still wanted a part of them.
There was a story here. Now, with Freak Show, they were constantly defending themselves against the same Seattle soundalike accusations, even to the point of having to give music writers lessons in the history of rock. The band was getting to understand how shallow the rock and roll world could be. Both tours were helped no end by www. Yet in spite of the thumbs-ups that Freak Show had been receiving at home, and the occasional high such as the album launch, the tough mixture of touring, studying and being teen role models was causing the band some real trouble, especially the vegetarian Johns, who had now been meat-free for a year.
It was almost as if he were trying to physically disappear. Even the laddish Gillies admitted he was having some dark days of his own, trying to cope with the mix of rock and study. It kind of makes it worth it in the end. The band were starting to develop a taste for crossing over into unfamiliar musical territory. After more European festival shows, the band made it back to Sydney for a surprise gig at Luna Park on 26 July. After two weeks of school, the next stop for the band was Europe.
But as they rolled through Sweden, Holland, Germany and Austria during August and September, as well as playing a handful of Canadian and American dates, what they really needed was a break. By the time the three were announced winners of the Channel [V] award for Best Australian Band — which they would win so often that there should have been talk of renaming the award in their honour — Johns was long gone.
Claiming an asthma attack, he was halfway back to Newcastle, with his father at the wheel, when the envelope was opened. It was a burden the three were desperately keen to get out of the way, partly in the hope journalists would finally drop it as a point of discussion. And at least school gave them a much-needed break from the spotlight. Johns, as he frequently and freely revealed, was fast becoming the band loner.
You can always trust your dog. Now they were set to play twenty shows over five weeks, commencing on 21 November and swinging through the capital cities and such less-visited towns as Mackay, Ballarat and Dubbo, where they played in a spider-laden aircraft hangar on the RAAF base. Srsen declined the offer of an interview for this book. It was the last time Australian audiences would see the band for a year. Now chaperone-free — all the band members had turned eighteen — and without their on-road tutor who had been given the choice position as head of band securitythe trio started to cut loose.
While their peers were in the midst of Schoolies Week, the traditional drunken post-exams blast, the band were busy with their own version of this teen rite of passage. Sure they had to work, but there was plenty of downtime and the shows were a well paid riot. This was the end of the Freak Show road, which had begun back in Hobart in January. The band remember it as a career high, probably the most enjoyable tour of their lives. We let our hair down and had a good time. He flicked plectrums into the crowd and stopped at one point to try on a bra thrown from the moshpit.
He looks sort of like a younger, leaner Johnny Lydon. As he became even more withdrawn off-stage, this teen loner was undergoing a transformation — once he plugged in, he became physically assertive and could whip a moshpit into a frenzy.
It was in direct contrast to the Frogstomp model. Those people are just jaded, silly old cocks. Mac even joined the band on-stage at their Sydney University show on 8 December. Crowds would erupt as the band freed themselves from their regular Silver-roles, losing themselves in the heavy rhythms. It seems to be going down really well. But instead of winding down, Daniel Johns was about to disappear into some of the darkest days of his life.
And to think that it all began with the seemingly innocent purchase of a poster in a record store. What and when was your first exposure to Silverchair? Someone said that these dudes are 14 and are from Newcastle. Was there a key gig or song that turned you from a fan into an expert-cum- obsessive? Yes, I am comfortable about being known as the authority on the band; I actually love it more then anyone could ever know.
To have the respect from every person I meet is the greatest feeling in the world. How many shows have you seen and what type of collectibles do you own? I could really keep going. I had to move my bedroom downstairs to the garage to fit everything. Is your dedication to the band unconditional?
For sure it is. Man, we are growing up and experience more feelings than angst. It would be pretty fucking boring doing the same stuff every day for, like, four years — let alone 12 years! Definitely my favourite music is the Diorama sessions; the music is like the movie Fantasia — totally mind-blowing!
I still get goosebumps listening to all their albums, but Diorama is fucking out of this world. Live, the Freak Show times were hardcore heavy; awesome energy. And Diorama live is just body-tingling music. Do you have the same level of devotion towards any other bands?
No, not at all. But I do thank Silverchair for making the music that I love more than anything, because this has let me love so many bands and appreciate good music.
I have helped out a few bands with promotions, marketing, etc. Are you part of a sizeable community of Silverchair obsessives? What is it about the band that attracts such a hardcore following?
I know most of the Silverchair obsessives from all around the globe. I tend to take as many people as I can to Silverchair gigs and talk about Silverchair as much as possible, and let them enjoy it and take the journey. Then they can see why I talk about them nearly every day of my life.
I talk to a lot of people — friends, family, anyone who I meet — and I read a lot, check out stuff online, have people send me stuff from around the country and the world, all about Silverchair. For my 21st, my cousin made me my own Silverchair throne. I love it — and no one would have anything like it in the world. The band attracts a hardcore following for many reasons.
When I have kids, they will talk about Silverchair like people talk about the Beatles. You can see that the guys put their heart and soul into what they do.
Their live shows are without a doubt the most amazing, breathtaking, energy-filled events that most people would have ever witnessed in their lives. Is there a hardcore group of Silverchair nuts that you spot at most Yes, there are Silverchair-ists that I do see at gigs but, like I said, I love to take as many new people as I can to watch them.
My friends and family totally understand where I come from, and it is cool to see them enjoy the experience, too. Enjoy it, love it, live it. How many times have you met the baud? Firstly, they are all awesome dudes: Chris is a champion, really cool and easy to talk to and have a laugh with.
Daniel: yeah, really, really awesome, such an awesome fella. He makes you feel really at ease and chilled. A funny story — after the Diorama launch, I was talking to him and Sam Holloway, and he was bagging me out about my Silverchair] tattoo, saying it is forever and things like that. And lo and behold, the next time I see him who has a giant James Brown tattoo [on his arm] and Led Zep tattoo on his neck? For sure. Well, this is going to sound like a Grammy speech, but my Mum is the greatest and she loves it; really, I think she does!
I have lent CDs to her friends and am pretty sure they then went out and bought them. My Dad is OK, although really deep down he probably thinks I am nuts. But I know he supports me in every way. My sister and brother love it, I think. My friends, like my family, see it as nothing but positive. To see how happy I am when I listen, talk and watch the mighty Silverchair means nothing but good times.
What do I love about the band? Last but not least, their mind-blowing music. I have always wanted to give a big FUCK YOU to all the critics and tall poppy fuckers who cut down the mighty Silverchair, as they are without a doubt the greatest band to come out of Australia.
Mentally and physically drained, he was in dire need of some serious downtime. Joannou and Gillies were also feeling some pain, but they recovered through travel. Joannou and his girlfriend headed off to Thailand; Gillies and his partner travelled to North Queensland and Byron Bay. As he recalls: For seven days a week you had an itinerary. Ben and Chris were going out with their girlfriends, doing their thing, and I was living in a house by myself, just writing.
Just like Joannou, Johns had also locked into the touring mindset, as he would later explain to me — and now that school was out, he was also having trouble adjusting to his new life: That [time] was so fucking hectic. None of us wanted to be dumb; we wanted to pass the HSC, we were trying our asses off. As soon as we ended school it became a thousand times harder; we found out that school was an escape.
The stop-start nature of touring prevented him from writing on the road; the demands of playing live, travelling and doing press were intrusive and cramped his songwriting style. He was also underwhelmed by the type of music American radio had opted to play instead of Freak Show, especially such bland, corporate rock acts as Matchbox Twenty and Third Eye Blind. The way he saw it, Silverchair needed a serious musical makeover, not just to survive but to thrive.
But Daniel Johns had more immediate problems. The past four years had taken their toll. It was easy to forget that he was all of eighteen when Freak Show ground to a halt in December Johns felt he had lost control over his life; instead, it was in the hands of people in the music business. As he told me several years later, he was also growing apart from his bandmates: When we started out at thirteen or fourteen, we were exactly the fucking same.
We went through the whole being-famous-and-going-through-adolescence thing together, and came out the other side complete opposites. The houses interior decorating style was best described as spartan: it comprised a couch, a television, a bed, a stereo and not much more. His always-supportive parents looked after his groceries and any other day-to-day needs, while keeping a watchful eye on their oldest son. As Johns later revealed, he was sinking deeper and deeper into a funk of alienation and depression.
And then he stopped eating. Every time the crowd got bigger, I felt more empty when I walked offstage. Towards the end ofI gradually began to feel more and more alienated from people. And after moving into his house by the beach things took a turn for the worse: The psychological problems that surfaced on tour intensified and my view of reality became distorted.
I began to feel really anxious and paranoid. I was really freaked by phones. Johns figured that the only part of his life he could take charge of was his food intake. Nobody ever knows. As I continue my research. But he was a warm, compassionate human being. Get my drift? The only difference is you have to go through the charade of electing them rather than just appointing them.
No reason to get into it. You sure are tender on Jackson. Sure, tough childhood but great opportunities. I would have missed it otherwise. It was an interesting prelude to the Obamanation. James laid out there in his coffin and everything, the arm wrestling for precedence and all and then at the critical moment Jackson and his thugs arrived.
This was a very thuggy proceeding. Dead silence if I remember. MJ was not the Man. This was the moment of Black Power. Black Power is thuggism in action so they grossly overplayed their hand.
Fuck Love as they say, they went for the juggler to crush da White Boys. Whatever backstage maneuvering there may have been to embarrass Jackson this La Donna woman may have been part of it. Anyway the tour was brought down in the most humiliating manner. I doubt that Jackson was the innocent victim however. There might be some similarities. Jackson made an unbroken succession of terrible career moves after Thriller.
Thriller was just a lucky break, good timing, anyway. In the first place, right or wrong, everyone thought he was queer. No surprise at the quickie divorce. Everything about the guy was wrong and was the result of his own very poor business decisions. Luckily he bought all those copyrights.
See, he had much better, tougher stuff that Quincy vetoed. Look, there are some things we see a bit differently, and that will not change, nor really need it change. Divergent views produce new ideas. Or at least more insightful ideas. And the thinking on the very last one is all wrong, in my view. There are some masterpieces on their that dwarf a whole lot of the Thriller stuff. Too much grunting through clenched teeth on the loud stuff, but the softer stuff runs deeper than he probably ever went, except on cuts that were not permitted to be released.
Anyway, no point going over all that. We come from a different place vis-a-vis MJ, but Victory was something that simply done to him by absolutely everyone involved. And others! No matter who you believe, or what, it went from bad to worse. And she made NO statement, interestingly enough. While looking down on others. You can stand where you wish. Hostility equates insecurity. I drape reality with my grace, if you know what I mean. De old folks come down from those Kentucky hills and settle in Bowling Green.
Before I was born, for sure. Never seen Bowling Green. The family denies it of course but my great grand parents who came from Galicia were Jewish.
Chased down the street as a kid for being a yid. Do I feel Jewish? Get serious. I was educated at the orphanage. So how OK are Jews? Ask yourself that question. If Elvis ever danced like a White guy I never saw him do it. I never saw anybody move like him. James Brown could have taken lessons from Elvis. Probably did. Actually dance turns me off.
Never understood it. These Dr. Imagine Jack up speeding a week in a row when the Cuban missile crisis was in progress. Potent stuff compared to what Leary had to offer, eh what? JFk was supposed to have been in on that too. So anyway Elvis, Jackson and drugs? I knew my psychological limitations and stayed straight.
Street creds. Lose credibility? Of course he was quoting the street. Whole street corners said it before he did. All my heroes wore Suits Of Lights back when country was real. When the boys came down from the hills and wore Brooks Bros. So, I like all that country rock. Burritos, later Byrds- early Byrds for that matter, Webb Pierce in spangles. Do I like soul music? The only dance I ever learned was the Trouser Press. As for Marcus you probably have him right. More annoying than anything else, but Dylan does or did look up to him.
Been a while, ole buddy. I had my reasons, I guess. And where the people die. When we got to the. Elvis did. These were our relatives, my relatives, and I think for the very first time, they got to know her.
It was good. Just sort of under my breath. Not the day before, but the day before that, my dad, to my shock-horror, told them that my mom was half-Christian. It was cool, though, because when I did my thing and read my verses, none of it mattered any more.
I broke through all of that B. In any case, when we got back, after two plane rides, within a day, I came down with the flu. My dad had a stomach thing, so we did not have the same thing. It felt that way in a way it never did before. Nothing else comes close. Most of the Beatles stuff I find to be bluster. I like Mal. Dunno how they got past the Col. In retrospect, it makes a lot of sense, I think. It has not. Dylan knew. I mean, he really KNEW.
You can feel the pain. Now that may seem strange, but what it means is that Bob DID have control over the tapes and which songs made it out to the public, bootleg, or not. Because the whole lot of it was true. I believe he this comes from a conversation. It sounds like the stuff EP would say in the mid-sixties, making excuses for what he knew he hated doing. Drank bloody Marys, too, but I think in the sixties, he stuck with rum and cokes. Weird thing. Never, ever beer.
His mom, ya know. And he DID inhale. Liked to blow the smoke out of his nostrils: on film, you can see it. But this was just opening night. And Dylan, nor Lennon, etc. You can bet he was hiding. Phil Ochs was practically on the stage opening night! Dylan would not have wanted to run into him: too uncomfortable. And as I said, nobody turned him on to Bob but him, himself.
I saw him in the snap cap, WAY early, jutting his jawbone out to sorta look like him. He always bought out whatever was new and intriguing. In the Folklore Center, of course, but he would have had to look for it.
It was early, and maybe Bob expected a better fate during the earlier sixties. But the stupid movie album outsold it. And the next one outsold everything on the market, just about. He knew what to do. Not yet.
IF he had said Little Richard, I might have believed him. Interestingly, he no longer mentions Guthrie that I know of. EP was ALL of it. Sometimes all at once. Which is why turned over the tables. And Dylan knows this. And he was not. And nobody believed him! He tried that, but totally wrong, and screwed it up worse.
Sounded like a raving fool. Which he was at that point. There are just too many, and they all go off the meter. So, I guess, to me: my own tragedy is saddest. When I see a lost soul, I get all wrapped up. But Bob got himself wrapped up about a lotta folks. I can see that.
You, too. You may not want that, but it shows. Which is what draws me back. More later, rm. Who but a son or daughter is most qualified to offer the eulogy for their mother.
Anyone claiming to faith of that nature in this day and age is a poseur and fake. So you did the right thing. That said, now you should let go. Take the gifts your mother gave you and live the life she would have wanted you to live. Moving on: by some horrible twist of fate I seem to be writing reviews of groupie autobiographies.
I have no explanation. Interestingly they all have Dylan stories. Faithfull was of couse not only there but involved so her Dylan story has solid details and is more credible. Rather than fixing the seductive eye on her and complementing her big boobs he ambled on about himself.
She also provides some good background on nutcake Allen Ginsberg. What a minor character. I did read Al Kooper.
Good, but like his music a little too labored. Red is a piece of envious doggy doo doo. I think he reveres his past, roots in garbage talk, and wants to recapture the feeling much as he did with Self-Portrait. Oddly enough his croak works pretty well in a bizarre kind of way. Sounds like some street junkie trying to give his best and on that level works pretty well for me. My email to Weberman follows:. Sorry to see you get roughed up like that by the Phoenix News.
Gotta be a little more careful. Look there first. Remember Abe bought this woman some very expensive jewelry for a Hibbing girl. How much did she have to badger him for that? And how much of his soul did he have to mortgage to do it? The store did go out of business immediately after Abe died inperhaps after he had bled the store dry. Think about it. Before you tagged him with being in on the Twin Tower conspiracy. You even go after his poor late ma.
Like your alter-ego A. If only you could be said to be so worthy! And you, R. Any performer needs a healthy ego to go on stage time and again, but maniac? Why so harsh? What did this particular Jew ever do to you? Or was it the marriage to a black that got your nose out of round? You need to examine your own motives here. These anti-zimmerman ravings have little to do with the subject and everything to do with you.
Dig a little deeper. I do not mean literally, but in some way. Now, to our discussion. I guess I am, in my own way, working on it. Maybe when I was 21 or 22, I should have called a driving school for her. I dunno. There are so many things you look back at. Just cannot. But thank you for complimenting me on one of toughest things I ever did in my life: the ceremony that I more or less commandered.
More to say on that, of course. Always did. But it was forbidden to him. But Elvis, before the drugs utterly ravaged him, just had it ALL. But he should have had the chance to play Carnegie Hall, and have roses thrown at his feet, instead of people dirty napkins, with which he was expected to wipe his face and throw back.
How degrading to such a great artist. Red just took possession of BOTH recorders, making it clear what the deal was.
I guess that puzzlement kind of set me on a jouney of sorts. But I think I always knew they were silly lies about real life. Lies that millions must have really needed: the shows remained so popular, even long after their initial runs. Now, real life is also not quite like an Appalachian murder ballad, but the truth is quite in between, and different for different people. And you must look at it, or understanding cannot begin.
Best to all, Robin. I wanted anyone who checked in to know what kind of guy he really is. Still, we all go sometime. It has to be accepted. Not to worry, live, live, live until you die. I agree with you that most bios and autos skimp over the formative and most important years.
The only recourse for Dylan is to write his youth without flinching and let it The Underbelly - Died Pretty - Every Brilliant Eye (Vinyl from there. No fantasy, just straight forward narrative, then, let the chips fall where they may. Not to be taken without a grain of salt but in character. As you say the child is father to the man; the early life is key. Heck, this is America where debunking rules. Where does this guy live anyway except in his head? There are no sacred cows except the sacred cows I guess.
There must be something of interest there. I find it difficult to discuss Presley with you because I have a fairly modest foundation on him. I would also be interested to know if there was any backroom communication between Washington and Hollywood. Somthing tells me Elvis was closely watched. Has anyone gone through his FBI file? Yeah, the threat jumped out at me, too. You have as much right not to be threatened as Obama or Ray.
Or me. It interrupted a recording session! Like THAT was the tragedy! Some of those biographers are, excuse my French, a—holes!!!!!!! A man was run over and killed, in the morning. The incident was completely unknown at the time. This is from Richard, the guy who is said to have committed the excused killing via motor vehicle. It was ruled an accident caused by poor visibility and the gardener was blamedd for jumping in front of the car. And I am not. And they should have re-interviewed Davis or family.
Just researched the incident. For him, that is ridiculous. And he was profane in a way that shocked everyone. Asked for a trial separation from Priscilla in like her 8th month or closer!! And, in December, Johnny Bragg reports a bizarre motorcycle visit from his old friend.
Like I said, I cannot accuse, but I can chastise the biographers for not giving a damn at all about the incident. That man had as much right to live as Elvis or anyone else. Lord knows, money might have been involved, and it might have been astronomical.
Which gave Parker tremendous power. But the career was dead in the water. Yes, I have see the file. That fact stands out above all. He got in deeper and deeper and deeper into sheer horror: Apocalypse Now territory. Where Bobby had never gone before, believe me. Not for himself, but for his friend!! For EP. Legal actions often are involved in this, and Vernon was in California in April.
Could have been the unrest in Memphis. Bob never had to deal with anything so monumentally horrific. But I think he knew, somehow. Listen again. Dylan still seems pissed, and then sad, and then pissed, etc. Any of it. Then, when they found out, they treated it like a big nothing. THAT, whatever happened: even if it was Richard, as stated, seemed to be the turning point: the hitting bottom. He now realized what he had become: what Bob said he was in the basement: a whore for Parker and the other old businessmen who were tone-deaf.
And life is brief. Bob was not insensitive. STOLE the thorny crown. It bought really, about two years of life, and then everything went all completely to hell. By now, Robin. Robin: He keeps deleting me so this is my last try really.
If he was it would be up to me to be the bigger man and not take the bait I was referencing Bob and Weberman. Bob punched Weberman for going thru his trash and Weberman was happy about it: a badge of honor.
Feel free to contact me. Prindle published my e-mail without permission a few months ago to punish me. Good bye and Good Luck. I asked him several times nicely to remove it. Now that it has a useful purpose, maybe he will just to spite me.
If you want to check it out I was involved in a discussion about Dylan including Weberman at the Phoenix News link above.
Very nice discussion, civilized, no threats, no name calling. Actually very little namecalling,ad hominems seems to be a way of life on the internet. Your book sounds interesting. If you want to self publish try Blurb or Lulu where all the set up is free. Lulu might be best. In the latter way you at least get it out where it can be seen and purchased now.
I used iUniverse for my Sonderman Constellation at Now I have to find time to prepare another. Everything I have of value was because of him. I was going down for the third time at 16 when he materialized on the Sullivan show; I saw the chimes of freedom flashing and pulled myself out of the hole I was in. Besides in Hollywood they actually sacrifice people.
It happens. The hatred of the so-called Greatest Generation was genetic. They were the most repressive older generation in some time. They started hammering Presley early and hard and they never let up.
His personality was fragile too. He grew up in Darktown Tupelo which meant that he was shunned at his school while being isolated at home. He was cut off from normal development and reactions much as you were by your constant changing of schools and I, in the orphanage. All their reactions are absurd to me while mine are absurd to them. I mean the guy, Elvis, dressed like a freak in high school and thought it was cool.
So, he was lucky to get out of the army alive. And then, not particularly wise in the ways of the entertainment world he was victimized by Parker and the Hollywood creeps. Being victimized by your manager is par for the course. Frampton sells ten million records and comes out with 1. Bowie was cheated bigtime. Klein cleaned out the Beatles and shook down the Stones. Look at Kirk Douglas and Doris Day. Even then he was able to buy and maintain a If Elvis was buying big dope from the Mob, the guy was prepared for the impending drug shortage of I saw a picture of what purported to be his drug closet and there amongst the shelves of various concoctions in multiple jars were six quart bottles of pharmaceutical liquid cocaine.
Makes one suspicous. That being said, an accurate history is always desirable. But that means the emphasis is placed on what was done to him and how he reacted. The first goal of your enemies is to unman you. That means you are constantly demeaned and treated as an inferior and ineffectual. Elvis was.
In high school I envied a football player who appeared to be idolized. A few decades later when I was a celebrity in this town in a small way compared to Elvis in the wide world but bigger than the football player I learned the bitter truth of his words. Not strong enough but then the forces arrayed against him were much stronger than those against Dylan. What you can say about Dylan is that he had the courage to throw it all down and start over again on his own terms. Great reply!
There is danger all over. That was just a test. Obama should be peeing his pants in such a terrifying world, but he remains cool as a mountain lake, wasting time and lives and money on a search for a killer who is probably already dead, anyway. Monica was symptom, only. He was losing his mind. Or is a megalomaniac. Or stupid. Elvis put himself and his physical person in the middle of it.
Bob was another. Janis Joplin, another. And he did. He simply wanted to join what seemed to be a loving family. And he was mostly right. I really do. The kid was perceptive. Well, duh. He DID join the family, whether mother-in-law liked it or not, and now Mom is in England keeping watch over her disintegrating daughter, going absolutely insane, it is very clear.
Dylan felt that from the basement era on, because he was, well, Dylan. I think it is his greatest performance, period.
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